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Greg Houser Talent and/or Voice Producer

Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 174
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008, 05:26 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Connie Terwilliger wrote: |
Yikes - you are so right - anyone who is new to the business will be flumoxed and misinformed. (Agent/Ad Agency).
It relates to what Lee was saying about their "way with words." The whole site reflects a lack of a copy editor with a dash of English as a second language. I remember early "conversations" with customer support that included a lot of back and forth just focused on understanding each other. Lately the people running tech support get what you are saying, but due to the complex nature of what they are trying to do with the site, it is still hard to figure out if they heard your concerns. |
I'd counter that argument considering several of the issues I've found are still around when it comes to noticeable attack vectors on the site.
In non-geek speak, the site has some holes that still need to be fixed. |
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Connie Terwilliger Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008, 15:46 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I'll clarify - they seem to "get" what I contact them about - which isn't security holes - which I wouldn't know are there in the first place. They have "fixed" typos that I've found, and perhaps some of my questions. comments and suggestions still simmer as they prepare to release the next version of the software. _________________ Connie Terwilliger - New Yorker Cartoon
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Dina Monaco-Boland Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008, 16:50 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Lee Gordon wrote: | | Diane Havens wrote: | | They don't allow you to tag your own demos, Deby. That's just what they're trying to avoid. |
They don't have us tagging our individual demos but Voice123 certainly does allow us to "tag" our profiles. Any descriptive terminology we include under "Voice Description," "Voice Genders and 'Ages' I Can Perform," "Accents and Dialects," "Additional Skills," etc. are, for all intents and purposes, tags.
I believe the whole point of tagging is to allow a fresh set of ears to augment what we have said about ourselves with a term or two we may not have thought of. |
Yep, I think Lee's got it right all the way around including his previous post regarding tagging to be used for descriptive terms to be found in searches and not a critique. I mean, really, does anyone really think that V123 wants us to weed anyone out? That just doesn't make sense. _________________ Dina's Voice To go!
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Diane Havens Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008, 17:53 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Well, that very well might be the case. But I can't see how it will improve the search function, since seekers use the same 5 to 10 common words to search that they always have, and I see no reason for them to start refining their research skills and vocabulary now. Someone might tag a voice "phantasmagorical" and that is a lovely, descriptive word -- but no one will ever use it in a search. How will these tags then help us to be found easier? _________________ Diane
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Doug Parks Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008, 19:11 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| They won't. This is just mondo ill-conceived. |
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Greg Houser Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008, 19:20 (GMT) Post subject: |
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who ever said that the idea was to help you come up better in a search?
That's just crazy talk...
/actually it will, but not as much as the parent site which has 1000s of pages linking directly back to itself using these terms.
//again, look at the tags on your V123 page (look at the source document), there's a reason V123 adds an additional set of tags to each & every site |
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Maxine Dunn Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008, 19:45 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Doug....I just LOVE the word Mondo. Totally great descriptive word. :~)
And Greg, you know how much I appreciate your intensely tech-driven mind...but please....for those of us that are light years behind your technical jargon, can you put your stuff sometimes in laymen's terms?
For example: "Look at the source document.” What source document? What IS a source document? How can I look AT a source document? Where do we see our tags?
You are so helpful but sometimes you remind me of my motorcycle racer ex-boyfriend who was trying to describe to me how to drain the carbs on my CBR, over the phone…. Dumb it down for me please.
xoxoxo
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Greg Houser Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008, 04:12 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Max,
I hate to say this, but that is dumbing it down for me...
/embraces his inner Dilbert
Seriously though, it's no biggie. Go to any Webpage (using the Web Browser of your choice). Go to the EDIT menu, then select SOURCE or VIEW SOURCE. That will open a page that looks like the Word document from hell. Near the top, you'll see nifty stuff like a tag, which is where the title of the page goes. You'll also see a lot of <meta> and other such tags, which have descriptions in them.
That's what the search engines use (at a basic level).
I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but with all the tech stuff being tossed about, I can see how it could have been easily missed.
...and for the kids at home, don't miss my next chat: Elliptical Curve Cryptology... the Easy Way! |
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Maxine Dunn Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008, 12:35 (GMT) Post subject: |
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For some reason can't seem to read the rest of this page. It just stops and has no info below Greg's post. Anyone else seeing this?
Max
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Greg Houser Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008, 12:56 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I'm reading it just fine, but that is somewhat interesting. |
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Dina Monaco-Boland Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008, 13:25 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Greg Houser wrote: | who ever said that the idea was to help you come up better in a search?
That's just crazy talk...
/actually it will, but not as much as the parent site which has 1000s of pages linking directly back to itself using these terms.
//again, look at the tags on your V123 page (look at the source document), there's a reason V123 adds an additional set of tags to each & every site |
Duly noted.
I think they may be using the whole "it'll help better and more acurately describe voices" thing to make it look like they're serving us when in all actuality it's to also (and probably most importantly) to serve themselves. But let me ask this: Doesn't that also work to serve us? If V123 were not so widely known how would we be found through them? How would seekers know it was out there as a service to post jobs?
And I agree with Diane as well... seekers aren't going to use out of the norm adjectives for their search but my point and the quote from Lee illustrated this, is that it's a fresh set of ears to augment what we have already said about ourselves.
I still stand by my comment that I do not think this was meant as a way to critique other talent to weed them out. V123 wants every paying member they can get. I highly doubt they want anyone to discourage someone from plunking their money down here. Plus, like Lee said, who would be seeking an "atrocious" talent?
PS I also could not view all of Greg's post _________________ Dina's Voice To go!
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Erik Sheppard Talent and/or Voice Producer Moderator

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Greg Houser Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008, 13:46 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Dina Monaco-Boland wrote: | .
If V123 were not so widely known how would we be found through them? How would seekers know it was out there as a service to post jobs? |
Using other marketing tactics such as an agent, website, casting agency, word of mouth, networking sites, networking groups IRL, etc.
If this is your only marketing for your VO skills, then you're cheating yourself. That's not a disparagement of the P2P sites, but as an actor you have to be out there letting folks know who you are and what you do.
Or did I read too much into that question? Apologies if I did.
| Quote: | | PS I also could not view all of Greg's post |
That's interesting... it seems that a lot of strange things happen when I being to point stuff out around here.
No conspiracy theories, but probably God's way of keeping me from really getting into trouble, lol.
Erik, might it be the use of a tag or slashie which caused this? |
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Diane Havens Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008, 17:22 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I could only read part of Greg's post as well, and then nothing after that, until I am now replying and I can see the additional posts beneath.
Spooky....
Anyway, of course my question was rhetorical. I know full well they are only doing it to optimize the site's presence on the web. That may be good for all premium members ultimately, but it won't help anyone be found who isn't already being found, in my opinion, once they get here.
We'll see, I guess.
Now, let's see if I can see my own post appear here. _________________ Diane
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Diane Havens Talent and/or Voice Producer

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