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Scott Pollak
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 Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006, 14:42 (GMT) Post subject: Re: Infringement on copyright |
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| Chris Holcombe wrote: | So, kinda of changing the topic, but still about background music in the commercials you may produce. I heard that you could use copyright music for 30 seconds or less? I guess that would not apply to background music of a commercial?
Example: I use the guitar licks of Bare Naked Ladies, if I was a millionaire in the background of a 15 second commercial.
Would I be violating the copyright? I hear others demos of commercials they have done and you hear copyright music in the background.
Just have to be curious what our legal limitations are.
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I think you're treading on thin ice. To my knowledge ANY copyrighted music must be cleared before using it in any form whatsoever, most especially for commercials! Even non-profits can't use copyrighted music without obtaining clearance (such as in a church). In the religious groups that I'm a part of, they all pay annual licensing fees to use praise songs and so on.
It's absolutely not worth the risk, what with the great, and affordable, production libraries out there today. Plus, as a musician who has a c.d. out there, I just think it's unethical to use someone else's music without permission. Fortunately I can also create my own soundtracks since I AM a musician, so that helps quite a bit.
Didn't mean to go here with this reply, but what the heck... check out my cd at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/soloeclypse
(All purchase proceeds go to support a starving voiceover guy.....)
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Gary Johnston
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006, 00:14 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| I agree with Scott, Chris. I've never heard of this "15 seconds is okay" part of copyright law. Sounds to me like a line that was created by a radio salesperson so their client could use their favourite song on their commercial. Here in Canada at least a violation of copyright is the same whether it's 15 seconds or 3 minutes. |
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Tyler Jones
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007, 06:35 (GMT) Post subject: Hey Chris...Copyright? |
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Hi Chris and all. Regarding copyright laws and music. Whether you are making money or not it is Illegal to use unless you have explicit consent in writing.
Even Remix artists have to pay royalties if using a 2 second splice from
a song. Look at Maddona, she has been sued in the past for using copyright protected material in her songs. Even if you think it's something
that no one will be able to recognize you take a big risk.
Sample CD's or Loop Libraries exist online. Here are a few links.
Alternatively check out theses magazines :
Future Music.
Computer Music
Music Tech (Best Sample Selection).
These are just three of the most comon magazines read by producers, and they come with copyright free loops. They are roughly $20.00 cdn
per mag, but will help you to improve your production skills as well.
Worth the investment.
Here are the websites :
www.timespace.com
www.bestservice.de
www.bigfishaudio.com
And soon I will have copyright free loops up for all. I'll keep you posted.
My website is being re-designed.
www.plexusrecords.com
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Cameron Thomas
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007, 14:05 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Hopefully this is an appropriate thread to ask but in terms of the music. Let's say that you are chosen for a radio spot. Are you required to do the production such as adding the music and sounds, or is that left to the sponsor after they accept your read? Does it vary? |
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Todd Ellis
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007, 14:11 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I heard that you could use copyright music for 30 seconds or less? I guess that would not apply to background music of a commercial? |
Chris - I think the :60 second rule you're thinking of has to do with radio broadcast and ASCAP/BMI. If you play it for less than :60 seconds you don't have to log it. |
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Lynne Alston
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007, 18:07 (GMT) Post subject: Recap |
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Yes, from my other posts you can guess I'm a slow learner.
Am I right in thinking that having purchased royalty free music, I can now use it without having to pay every time it plays. Does that also cover the company that will be airing that piece of copy?
Also, I use pro-tools, I'm a bit confused with looping, when my music is to short for the copy I have been copying and pasting the same piece, is there a way in pro-tools to do this automatically?
Thanking you all for your patience!
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Joe J Thomas
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007, 19:26 (GMT) Post subject: FreePlayMusic |
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Hey all you experienced editors and musicians...
Any experience with this site?:
http://freeplaymusic.com/
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Joe J Thomas
www.JoeActor.com |
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George Karnes
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007, 20:12 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Well what about radio bumper music. I know that it can be played without consent.
Chrissy Hynde demanded Limbaugh stop using "back to ohio" as his main bumper, but he is still doing it.
How does that work?
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John M. Thomas
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007, 21:29 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Scott is correct,
I just had this conversation with some legal people about 2 months ago.
I had heard the :15 rule as well which was deemed "Public Domain". The legal folks say that is crap. I have a client who uses copyrighted music in his commercials. We don't produce them....we just air them. I was informed we need to have the client sign off stating the appropriate measures were taken to authorize use. |
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Caroline Perkins
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007, 18:23 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| You'll all be pleased to know that this month Voice123 is holding a webinar about music for voiceovers. We'll also have a great promotion for royalty free music - so keep your eyes open for further info! |
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Keith D. Milby
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007, 02:53 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| George Karnes wrote: | Well what about radio bumper music. I know that it can be played without consent.
Chrissy Hynde demanded Limbaugh stop using "back to ohio" as his main bumper, but he is still doing it.
How does that work? |
George and everyone else,
I am new here and thought I would make my first post in reply to the Rush Limbaugh issue. You know, just to get my feet wet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show
| Quote: | | When a landmark copyright case was decided in the 1990s, musical artists gained control over their works when performed thematically. Briefly in 1999, Limbaugh was forced to suspend playing the song while negotiating with Hynde. Hynde eventually decided to allow Limbaugh to use it, with Limbaugh paying Hynde approximately $500,000/year which she donates to the animal rights organization PETA. Hynde explained that she doesn't agree with Limbaugh but her parents are big fans. |
I have been reading you guys for several weeks now to get the lay of the land. I signed up tonight to take the next step, but I still have some things to put in place before going live.
You guys are great and dish out great advice from all that I have read. |
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George Karnes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007, 03:07 (GMT) Post subject: |
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And of course Keith waits to make his first post with hey George "you are an idiot" 
Why couldn't it be hey Todd, Robert or Amy....ohh I know it is because they are never wrong.
Scott did you re-edit that Wikipedia entry?
Welcome Keith and as Robert would say, pay no attention to the circling fins....
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Keith D. Milby
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007, 04:33 (GMT) Post subject: |
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George,
I of course did not intend for it to come off that way.
It just so happened that you posted the reply about Rush and I happen to be a big Rush Fan.
Just looking to make friends, not enemies. Seems as though I am off to a great start.  Sadly in the wrong direction.  |
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George Karnes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007, 04:39 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Keith-
No not at all. It is a great start. I was just joking back at ya. I actually really appreciate you straightening it out. I didn't know.
I sincerely mean to welcome you to the boards....
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Cameron Thomas
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007, 10:46 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Rush? I'm a big Rush fan too! Seen em a couple times...in concert. 
Welcome to the board Keith!
Cheers,
Cameron |
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