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Emmett Andrews
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008, 17:38 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super-cheap, ghetto fabulous bass traps...

Along the lines of egg cartons, except that it actually works.

Take medium-sized cardboard boxes. Crumple up old newspaper and fill them, then use packing tape to cover all edges to make them as airtight as a cardboard box can be. Stick it in the corner and you have an instant broadband bass trap!

Just like a nice panel trap, the low waves will vibrate the newspaper...The semi-airtight box will trap the waves and the box will disperse the energy as heat. And they really do work very well, but they're ugly and bulky. Of course, to trap the room takes much more space than if you use panel traps, but nonetheless, if appearance isn't important, it's a good way to add some control to your room for virtually no money.

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Deby Cedars
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008, 09:26 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I have room to try this.....but let me see if I got this right.....The low sound waves penetrate the "air tight" yet porous cardboard box.....They then somehow change inside to heat due to the newspaper....yet they don't rattle the newspaper bad enough to hear it?

I actually have drawers that are made of decorative cardboard (wallmart $5) in my recording space....but right now they hold massage sheets and they are not taped up to be air tight....(I use them as drawers)

My biggest problem is right around the air conditioning unit though...... Rolling Eyes
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Emmett Andrews
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008, 18:57 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deby Cedars wrote:
I don't think I have room to try this.....but let me see if I got this right.....The low sound waves penetrate the "air tight" yet porous cardboard box.....They then somehow change inside to heat due to the newspaper....yet they don't rattle the newspaper bad enough to hear it?

I actually have drawers that are made of decorative cardboard (wallmart $5) in my recording space....but right now they hold massage sheets and they are not taped up to be air tight....(I use them as drawers)

My biggest problem is right around the air conditioning unit though...... Rolling Eyes


It sounds silly, but it actually makes a decent band-aid. It's along the lines of using carpet to control reflections...Not perfect, but an improvement over nothing and a good temporary fix until something better can be done. The basic idea is that less comes out than goes in. The larger the cardboard box, the better. The reason low frequencies are hard to trap is because of their longer wavelength...Larger, thicker materials are required to absorb them, or in the case of panel-traps, a system that basically simulates a larger piece. The size of the box is what makes it effective.

Beds and sofas are some of the best bass traps you can have, as well and they work along the same logic as the boxes...

And book shelves filled with different-sized books make wonderful diffusers.

As for the A/C, I'll be of no help there!

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Deby Cedars
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008, 13:00 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it matter whether the box is square or rectangular???? Is there a perfect size for this? I just got a UPS package that was really hard to open due to the tape. It's not square though.
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Greg Houser
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008, 06:06 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it does, but for the size you're talking about, probably not enough to worry about it.
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Emmett Andrews
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008, 18:32 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes a difference, but I don't know that you could say one is "better" than the other. Size, in this case, is more important than specific dimensions. And, within reason, the bigger, the better. Nothing is as effective as panel traps, but cardboard boxes can help to flatten out the lows. One isn't going to be enough...Several moving boxes will make a decent difference though. Shoe boxes aren't big enough to do much of anything.

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Chris Clementson
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008, 23:16 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cardboard boxes filled with crumpled newspaper is too much of a fire hazard for my tastes.
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Emmett Andrews
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008, 02:15 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Clementson wrote:
Cardboard boxes filled with crumpled newspaper is too much of a fire hazard for my tastes.


True! Some of the inexpensive foams are pretty bad too. It should only be temporary, but it's ideal when moving. You have a ton of boxes and may not have time to do proper treatment for a few weeks. It's also good if you keep boxes for everything anyway...Might as well put them to use!

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J.S. Gilbert
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008, 20:21 (GMT)    Post subject: hmmmmm Reply with quote

Well, among other things, I now have a frightening vision of what the inside of Deby's house might look like.

retrofitting home environments to work properly for recording is a difficult task. Most recording studios can not only substantiate the budget, but also allow for things like floating floors and using rubber grommets to work as offsets or building studs that alternate and have "sound breaks" established to minimize in carrying vibrational noise and other issues.

I recommend a combination of using blankets and the mic thing to provide yourself with a vey quiet and suitable environment.

Any Salvation Army type store is bound to have a number of blankets that are affordable. I might alos recommend getting a rubber fatigue mat to stand on and a seperate one to place your mic stand on to help alleviate vibrational noise.

The mic thing will both support sounds from absorbing transient noise (as in bouncing off walls and such) as well as keep out quite abit of extraneous noise.

good luck
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