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Lee Kanne
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| Jacob Ekstroem wrote: | For what its worth, I wouldn't recommend anyone using a Behringer mixing console. Anyway, I use one.
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that makes no sense whatsoever |
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Lee Kanne
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 09:10 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I believe it is more helpful to post:
"For serious, industrial strength audio applications, I wouldn't recommend USB or Behringer, or whatever...."
"but for folks working on a starter rig, or just recording an occasional gig or audition at home, USB or Behringer or whatever is just fine" |
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Jacob Ekstroem
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 09:43 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Lee Kanne wrote: | | Jacob Ekstroem wrote: | For what its worth, I wouldn't recommend anyone using a Behringer mixing console. Anyway, I use one.
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that makes no sense whatsoever |
Lee...
IMO this discussion is completelly irrelevant and off-topic, but I just don't follow you.
Have you never, ever owned something, anything like a tv, a car, a toaster or whatever, that you quite frankly wasn't completely satisfied with and wouldn't recommend to others, but for some reason you didn't replace but continued to use regardless?? George gave a good explanation why he don't recommend the use of USB-gear in general and stated his personal reasons for using it anyway for specific purposes. I'm not really satisfied with my Behringer mixer, but it does the job. Still I would recommend others to go elsewhere. It makes perfect sense to me! 
Alright, you noticed his comments about USB-gear and found out he use it anyway - so?! I just don't get why you make such a big deal out of it, that's all...
| Lee Kanne wrote: | I believe it is more helpful to post:
"For serious, industrial strength audio applications, I wouldn't recommend USB or Behringer, or whatever...."
"but for folks working on a starter rig, or just recording an occasional gig or audition at home, USB or Behringer or whatever is just fine" |
Sure... but before you decided to play Matlock, his comment was completely legit... IMO!
(and please don't take the Matlock-comment too personal, it was simply a figure of speech.)
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Chris Clementson
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 16:52 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I recommend avoiding the USB and Firewire based consoles |
| Quote: | | why the knock on the USB/firewire interface |
George said he would avoid using the consoles, not the interfaces. MBox 2 is an interface. He then went on to make the point, and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, that if a USB console quits you've lost most of your entire system. If either a standard console or interface quits, you simply swap out the affected device. Correct? |
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Lee Kanne
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 16:52 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it, I'm just trying to look at it from the point of view of a someone who is coming to these boards for advice.
If I was trying to make a gear purchase, didn't have much experience or familliarity with what's out there, and someone said "I have a so and so, I use it all the time, but I wouldn't recommend you get one", I'd be a tad confused.
the logical conclusion would be, well, if you use it all the time, it must be good enough.
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Lee Kanne
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 16:59 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Chris Clementson wrote: |
George said he would avoid using the consoles, not the interfaces. MBox 2 is an interface.device. |
what's the difference between a USB console and a USB interface? |
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Chris Clementson
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Emmett Andrews
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008, 00:30 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Lee Kanne wrote: | I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it, I'm just trying to look at it from the point of view of a someone who is coming to these boards for advice.
If I was trying to make a gear purchase, didn't have much experience or familliarity with what's out there, and someone said "I have a so and so, I use it all the time, but I wouldn't recommend you get one", I'd be a tad confused.
the logical conclusion would be, well, if you use it all the time, it must be good enough. |
I own lots of things I wouldn't recommend. Sometimes you learn through use that gear isn't very good. I can't afford to upgrade constantly. I absolutely LOVE my Focusrite Voicemaster Pro...But I wouldn't recommend it to everyone...It's hard to set, it's not of the highest build quality and it can be a real pain in the ass.
I used a Behringer mixer for a long time. I would NEVER recommend a Behringer mixer for anyone. I now use a Soundcraft that I would highly recommend.
I love my E-mu soundcard, but it's not for everyone.
My monitors suit me well because I mix too bright, so by using bright monitors, I end up with a flat response. Again, not for everyone.
USB devices are simply not as solid as PCI. They have their place and some work well. But, unless you're looking for an all-in-one or mobile solution, PCI will almost always give you more bang for your buck.
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George Whittam
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008, 00:32 (GMT) Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? |
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| George Whittam wrote: |
I recommend avoiding the USB and Firewire based consoles, as they have less routing flexibility and if something fails internally, you are out almost your entire recording chain. |
To clarify, should the audio interface that is built into the console fail and need service, then you end up sending in the entire console, and then what? You can always patch in another interface and keep working, but just something to consider.
Referring to routing, the playback from computer to console is not easily routed to any other place in the console. For instance, if you needed to playback a take for your client over a phone patch, there is no way to route the playback signal into the phone hybrid with the corresponding Aux Send.
If absolute simplicity and low cost is paramount, and it is unlikely the user will ever need to interface with outboard equipment such as a Zephyr or Phone patch, then a basic USB or Firewire interface such as the M-Audio Fasttrack Pro or Presonus Firebox are great choices. Both have seperate controls for headphone and monitor levels and give great sound quality.
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