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Bobby Knight
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 01:37 (GMT)    Post subject: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

I need to upgrade my interface, and I have to admit, I'm a bit confused..Some say upgrade the soundcard, a few say firewire will give you the cleanest sound..has anyone used USB or firewire consoles?...help!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 02:21 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

Bobby Knight wrote:
...a few say firewire will give you the cleanest sound...

Those I'd like to meet... and ask them why.

Bobby, digital sound is digits - one's & zero's. FireWire (and USB) is just a different method of transfering the digits in and out of your pc.
What matters is really the AD/DA converters. PCI-based cards like those from RME has some of the best, but those cards cost the tip of an F-117.

Bottom line is, PCI, USB or FireWire are different ways of doing the same thing, but one is not neccesarily better than the other.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 04:35 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an Edirol USB box a while back and never liked it but I think it was because I relied on the pre in at as well and it was fairly noisy.

I use an M-Audio Delta 1010 now. Its a PCI interface with a rack unit and it is super clean. Fairly cheap too. I think I paid around 4 or 500 bucks.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 05:23 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I need to upgrade my interface, and I have to admit, I'm a bit confused.

You're confused and you came here? Very Happy

Is there a compelling reason for you to upgrade?

As Jacob said, by the time it enters your computer it's all ones and zeroes.

Here is a nice interface (I have one):

http://www.guitarcenter.com/E-MU-0404-USB-2-0-Audio-MIDI-Interface-104074786-i1165482.gc

You can buy it at GC or just about anywhere.

A lot of people like the M-Audio Fast Track (which, by the way, DOES do playback!). The internal mic preamps in the 0404 are 15 - 20 dB hotter than the Fast Track. It'll make a difference if you'll be using them with a dynamic or ribbon mic. If you use an outboard mic preamp it's probably moot. The 0404 claims an "ultra low jitter clock".
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Lance Blair
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 05:31 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bobby, listen to Scott Paxton's sample on the "M Audio 2 or Fast Track" thread on the Geek board.

His chain is Rode NT-1A > Aphex 230 > Fast Track

Your chain of TLM 103 > True P-Solo > Fast Track ought to sound that good.

I think it's an issue of your computer settings and your room acoustics. I fixed my laptop-based recording by solving an IRQ conflict and shutting down my wireless, firewall, and anti-virus software before recording. I was never happy with my recordings before I did that and spent more money than I should have in gear upgrades that ended up being lateral moves since my computer and room were holding me back.

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Emmett Andrews
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 06:38 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, USB devices offer the lowest sound quality. However, I don't know if that's a product of the USB technology, or simply the design of the product itself. And it should be noted that, by "lowest", I mean the specs aren't as good as comparable PCI or Firewire interfaces.

One major drawback of USB is the draw on the USB bus. If you use more USB devices than the interface, you begin to risk dropouts, stutters and the like. I know one guy who had terrible stuttering issues caused by a wireless keyboard and mouse being on the USB bus.

In general, it seems that the most "bang for buck" comes from PCI cards. The E-mu 1212m, for instance, has AMAZING converters for about $150.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 20:19 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance Blair wrote:
Bobby, listen to Scott Paxton's sample on the "M Audio 2 or Fast Track" thread on the Geek board.

His chain is Rode NT-1A > Aphex 230 > Fast Track

Your chain of TLM 103 > True P-Solo > Fast Track ought to sound that good.



Thank You Lance.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008, 23:09 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my experience, USB devices offer the lowest sound quality. However, I don't know if that's a product of the USB technology, or simply the design of the product itself. And it should be noted that, by "lowest", I mean the specs aren't as good as comparable PCI or Firewire interfaces.

Specs such as frequency response, S/N and THD are developed in the analog domain, regardless of how the ones and zeroes are shoveled into the computer (PCI bus, USB or FireWire).

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One major drawback of USB is the draw on the USB bus. If you use more USB devices than the interface, you begin to risk dropouts, stutters and the like. I know one guy who had terrible stuttering issues caused by a wireless keyboard and mouse being on the USB bus.

Oooh, bad idea. Was it a USB 1.0 port? I hate to keep coming back to the subject but this doesn't happen with a dedicated CF or HD recorder. For people who have trepedations about recording with something that looks like an electric razor, there are big, expensive units available.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008, 17:14 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

Jacob Ekstroem wrote:
...What matters is really the AD/DA converters. PCI-based cards like those from RME has some of the best.


Wise words. Often misunderstood and overlooked.

I have said it until I am blue in the face... IT'S THE CONVERTERS!

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George Whittam
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008, 02:20 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

Assuming you are using a PC, I recommend the Echo Mia PCI card. I used it for years and it sounds pristine. USB and Firewire tend to be less reliable in my experience, as there's just that much more to go wrong.
But, if you have no choice, the Fast Track Pro has a great track record. I recommend avoiding the USB and Firewire based consoles, as they have less routing flexibility and if something fails internally, you are out almost your entire recording chain.

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Bobby Knight
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008, 16:40 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think I'm definitely going the PCI route..I've heard great things about the Echo Mia,..and also the M-audio revolution 7.1..I briefly considered a USB or Firewire console but have heard horror stories about the drivers..although I hear good reviews on the Allan & heath Zed 14..Thanks for the input!!..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008, 17:01 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

George Whittam wrote:
I recommend avoiding the USB and Firewire based consoles, as they have less routing flexibility and if something fails internally, you are out almost your entire recording chain.


I took a look at your website and you guys have a remote USB MBox laptop rig.

I too, have an Mbox and have used one quite a bit over the years, never a problem, unless I tried to push it to do more than it's capable..

So why the knock on the USB/firewire interface setup?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008, 19:05 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

Lee Kanne wrote:


I took a look at your website and you guys have a remote USB MBox laptop rig.

I too, have an Mbox and have used one quite a bit over the years, never a problem, unless I tried to push it to do more than it's capable..

So why the knock on the USB/firewire interface setup?


Ever haul a PCI based PC around in a suitcase? There is a situation and place for each system. I use USB based gear all the time, but when it comes to a full time studio where 100% reliability is paramount, I always recommend PCI based hardware when possible. Gotta laptop, then I recommend PCcard or Express card slot systems, but they are too expensive and elaborate for most VO users and with limited selection.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 02:44 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: USB, Firewire, or soundcard?? Reply with quote

George Whittam wrote:
Lee Kanne wrote:


I took a look at your website and you guys have a remote USB MBox laptop rig.

I too, have an Mbox and have used one quite a bit over the years, never a problem, unless I tried to push it to do more than it's capable..

So why the knock on the USB/firewire interface setup?


Ever haul a PCI based PC around in a suitcase? There is a situation and place for each system. I use USB based gear all the time, but when it comes to a full time studio where 100% reliability is paramount, I always recommend PCI based hardware when possible. Gotta laptop, then I recommend PCcard or Express card slot systems, but they are too expensive and elaborate for most VO users and with limited selection.


I'm not sure why you asked me if I've ever hauled a PC around in a suitcase. What has that got to do with anything?

the whole point is, you originally recommended avoiding USB yet you use USB all the time and have a portable rig with an Mbox..

Can you see how this might be a little confusing for people looking for advice on what type of gear to purchase...??

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008, 08:48 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what its worth, I wouldn't recommend anyone using a Behringer mixing console. Anyway, I use one.
What's the big deal....?

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