Per session?

September Day Leach · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007, 22:51 (GMT) Post subject: Per session?

Just when I think I have my rates sorted out.... Wink

Any advice for a rate on the following :

http://voice123.com/lv/PHHD_BP_.html

Bob Bergen · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007, 23:17 (GMT) Post subject: Re: Per session?

Larry Maizlish · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 18:52 (GMT) Post subject:

Hi September.

I'm with Bob on this one. This is a perfect example of a job that fits the tag / body rate schedule. This is most likely national cable network TV.

I would bid at or close to those rates. If they like your audition, they can always get back with you on the rates. Keep in mind, that you rarely can negoiate up so don't bid too low.

By the way, you would be perfect for this read...Go for it.

Philip Banks · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 21:29 (GMT) Post subject:

From a career management point of view I would sugest bidding high as this gig, in the long term, is likely to close more doors than it will open.

'tis the nature of the funny old world we live in.

Bob Bergen · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 22:16 (GMT) Post subject:

Philip Banks · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 22:42 (GMT) Post subject:

May have misread the content but it appears to be promo's for an adult/erotic channel. If that's the case (I'm not taking the moral high ground here) then there is strong anecdotal evidence from artists in the USA and UK that involvement with such channels tends to stem the flow of other quality work and therefore career growth.

I and others who have noticed this may be wrong but there is scant or little contradictory evidence.

Walking away from certain jobs is like pushing your mother-in-law off a cliff in your new car. There's a short term cost but a long term gain.

If people manage their careers wisely then the experience should be as yours, every door leads to another open door.

Bob Bergen · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 22:58 (GMT) Post subject:

September Day Leach · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 23:07 (GMT) Post subject:

thank you all for your input on this. I was really floundering and need some serious advice Smile

Thank you to Bob for the great break down of pricing! Smile

Larry, you know you're my hero already, but thank you for saying I'd be perfect for this job Very Happy

Phillip...thank you for making me consider all sides of the situation! Wink

You guys are great!

Philip Banks · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007, 23:14 (GMT) Post subject:

Agreed. I don't have a problem with the job as such. This is business so it has to make financial sense and the numbers need to be up in the region you've quoted, my guess is that they will be nowhere near.

My current promo voice jobs include CNN, The Business Channel, Zone Horror and Naked Nuns at Night HD

Brian Haymond · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:29 (GMT) Post subject:

If every voice actor associated with the online services would stop taking pennies for their services, it would go a long way to helping all of us. The rate that Mr. Bergen has suggested is completely reasonable. Producers are saving Agent's fee and HR...thus they are already getting a deal at the rate Mr. Bergen presented...educating the client to that end may be helpful as well.

You can always look like the "hero" by dropping the rate a bit if you feel inclinded, however you will be hard pressed to get them to go the other way once you offer to accept some devalued rate.

I'm for keeping rates no less than 20% below union rates...I say that because virtually all the folks who seek talent online are expecting to pay less than union rates (per my experience).

Brian in Charlotte
www.VoiceOverForYou.com

Deby Cedars · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008, 03:22 (GMT) Post subject:

Philip does bring up an interesting point. I want to do animation, I dream of being in a Disney Film either acting or singing or BOTH! A film that is then turned into a TV show would be great. I could have job security. total breit

Now I'm a pretty wholesome gal with a somewhat naturally sexy voice. I think my novelty store animation job was cute and harmless. However...I'm not sure I made the right decision when I posted it in the Got the Gig section. Is experience more important than image. I know that Robin Williams has told some pretty dirty jokes... and yet was cast in Aladdin. Ofcourse....He was already famous from Mork from York. Should I have just kept that gig to myself????

Question

Philip Banks · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008, 09:20 (GMT) Post subject:

I think it's a case of "Who got THE gig" as opposed to who got any old gig. Getting a job is not noteworthy in itself so before leading the parade one has to ask if this is a WOW factor gig. Why is any gig really worth mentioning apart from the person's own feel good factor?

Career management is about making the right choices and seeing yourself in the right perspective. If Robin Williams does something then the world is watching, if Philip Banks does something then within reason, no one cares.

In the Deby's case, few people if any will know about the novelty store job so there's no need to break out into a sweat over it.