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Bill Campbell
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I bought a Heil PR20 last year. Hated it on VO (Heil doesn't recommend it for that). There's a real bump in the 2K-4K range that's very nasally. I'm sure the PR30 and 40 are much better.
The PR20 is a live performance and guitar cabinet mic.
I'm an RE-20 fan, but I think condensers are more detailed and can add more character to voice acting. |
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Lance Blair
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007, 18:30 (GMT) Post subject: Re: RE vs. Heil |
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| J.S. Gilbert wrote: | Wow. Am I the only one who has extyensively used the Heil PR40 and RE20 and prefers the Heil?
I own both and get no kickbacks from either company. Plug in the RE20 and you have to crank up the gain and there is this slight little hiss that comes into the mic. Also, you get this sort of deep resonant sound as if you had run plenty of compression on the recording, but your wave form shows quite a bit of peaks and valleys. The Heil gives you nice depth and no hiss and no cranking up and a tiny bit of low midrange.
I suppose the question might be as to what people are monitoring through. I've shot out the Heil and RE20 on a bunch of different speakers and with different amps and it's rare that someone said they preferred the sound of the RE20. And yes, I've actually used a few differnt RE20's thinking that might have had something to do with it.
Oh well, I guess to each their own and that's what makes the world go round.
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No, I love my Heil PR 40. Running a quiet dynamic quietly at +55 is a big plus. The Heil can be edgy at 3k and 8k, but that's easy enough to deal with. It has somewhat of a hyped sound to it compared to the RE20 and the SM7b, but I prefer to call that hyped sound "character" and it works well with my voice. No mic is good for everybody, and I can imagine the Heil sounding awful on a lot of people (and I've heard this happen) but when you spend time with it it's a fantastic vo tool. I made some bad recordings with the Heil at first, but now I'm really liking it.
I like to see that there are more dynamic options out there (anybody use the Beyerdynamic M99?). If MKH416s are game for vo, anything is game (I like SDCs too) 
One mic I've used on many spots with various talents: MKH-50. 
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Deby Cedars
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007, 15:01 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Roger does get kickbacks from 2 or 3 different companies. He said because of the type of mic that I have and the type of compressor that I have I don't need a pre amp. 
My computer makes a small amount of noise. I recently stuck a pillow around it to muffle the sound. It's so soft I don't even notice it unless I crank the volume up way too high. A music bed can do wonders too.
I told Roger I wanted a mic cord that could reach to the bathroom so I could sing rubber ducky while in the tub. Create my own splashing water sound efx. He just smiled and rolled his eyes. |
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Todd Ellis
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| Quote: | | the industry standard RE20 |
one should note: the RE20 IS an industry standard RADIO mic ... not so much for VO. i tend to think that a lot of folks use this mic simply because it's what they are used to hearing themselves through ... folks with a radio background, that is. not knockin' it - i have had one for years and it is a work horse mic --- just not what i sound best on --- which is my point. don't choose a mic based on what someone tells you ... chose a mic after trying out as many as you can in your budget range and finding the one that works best for YOU.
jmho
edit: i know, scott ... i know.
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Lance Blair
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That's true, Todd. What I meant was "industry standard dynamic" for what it's worth.
Hey, if MJ sang into one on Thriller, then it must work for voiceovers, right?
Honestly, I think the vast majority of people listening to all the various media in the world wouldn't raise an eyebrow or shed a tear if voiceovers were universally recorded on dynamic mics by some absurd decree. The only people who care are those in the industry, and rightfully so.
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Erik Sheppard
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007, 15:45 (GMT) Post subject: |
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FWIW, I chose the RE20 back at a time when I was doing more puke and voice of God stuff. It is awesome for super close proximity.
After years of using it for straight VO, I think condensers may be the way to go if you only have one and want it to do everything.
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Jacob Ekstroem
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007, 00:37 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Lance Blair wrote: | | Hey, if MJ sang into one on Thriller, then it must work for voiceovers, right? |
Just FYI, "Thriller" was recorded with an SM7, not the RE20, according to the info I've seen around.
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Scott Pollak
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| Todd Ellis wrote: |
edit: i know, scott ... i know. |
ROFLMAO!!! 
Okay, Todd, this is just for those that are utterly clueless as to why you posted that...
Every time we get on this discussion I mention that the mike I use is the RE20 and I get awfully good results with it. But you made THE valid point of: It's what YOU sound best on. Amen.
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Lance Blair
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Right, Jacob. Thriller was on a Shure SM7 not the RE20. My "Bad".
Cyndi Lauper's "She's So Unusual" was on a RE20...just kidding.
btw, I just heard a lovely new spot by Scott on his RE20 down here on Atlanta market TV. It sounded great, and I still say that the vast majority of people couldn't tell the difference between the same reads done by the same talent on a high quality dynamic or condenser over their tv or radio even if they own a sweet system. I heard no huge quality difference between Scott's RE20 recording and the following national spot.
That being said, bad recordings will stand out like a sore thumb to me (or anyone, really) over the tube.
From my field audio experience, we had a saying: "the best recording technique is the kind you don't notice in the final product". If focus is kept on the voice and the message, then the means of achieving that end are justified.
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Emmanuel Soussan
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Colin Day
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Erik
Just curious if you think the Mogami cables were a good investment? I've read good things about them. Did you notice a huge difference? If so, what?
I'm usually happy with the noise floor here, but on my Shure SM7B which I favour for some recordings, the noise is higher than I'd like. I'm thinking that perhaps my mid-price mic cable is not good enough and wondering if Mogami Gold might the magic bullet...
Any thoughts?
Colin
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Erik Sheppard
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| Colin Day wrote: | | Just curious if you think the Mogami cables were a good investment? I've read good things about them. Did you notice a huge difference? If so, what? |
They were definitely a good investment as they are quality cables and I will have them for years to come. Also, if I encounter problems in the future I can be fairly certain it is not because of the cables.
As far as being a huge difference, it is hard to say. At the time that I upgraded I had so many other fish to fry that the cables were just one more thing to check off my list. I don't think I could ever completely eliminate line noise without some processing help using a dynamic regardless of the cables. Others may fare better.
It may be worth noting also that I have a pretty tight rack unit with 8000 or so short cable connections that are pretty much touching each other, as well as the power cords for all my gear. Quality shielded cables are kind of a must in that situation.
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Cheers for that Eric
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