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Maxine Dunn
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007, 23:26 (GMT)    Post subject: Tongue twisting copy. Any suggestions please? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007, 23:34 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever noticed when you see something you never get tongue tied? Read it and then see it. Describe what you see.

"Look, a large yellow labrador in a light lilac leather collar". Seems to be the key - See it don't read it.

This is from a helicopter flight training course I did a few years ago.
"The main landing gear in tricycle in configuration and energy upon landing is absorbed by three long stroke shock struts".

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007, 23:38 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble is, once you become comfortable with something "twisty" it can get too easy and you might be rushing it without even knowing it. In addition to the advice Phil is giving, try checking your timing (way easier to do these days with waveform editing). It's those milliseconds of rushing that can cause the tie up, sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007, 23:52 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I encounter some tongue-twisting copy, what I try to do is just slow down and be as deliberate as I can be and then try to compensate for the lost time by picking up the pace (hopefully imperceptibly) over the remainder of the copy. Fortunately, thanks to digital editing, it is sometimes possible to blurt out half of the offending phrase, stop, go back a syllable or two, pick it up from there, and then "fix it in post."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007, 23:56 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007, 00:27 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an actor, there are a number of vocal warmups we do prior to rehearsals:

"Red Leather, Yellow Leather"
"The big black bug bled black blood"
and so on.

I have an e-learning client who has some math lessons where I've had to say the plural of 'sixth' ... 'sixths'. Man, that is almost impossible to say! I've asked them to PLEASE try to write lessons that do NOT use sixths, when possible.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007, 02:24 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam West, Maxine, is the actor who played television's Batman. ("Holy muselage-of-the-mouth, Batman! You're stuck!" - Robin, the Boy Wonder.) Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007, 02:32 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007, 03:13 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007, 15:30 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Philip said^, and smiling through difficult phrases helps too.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007, 15:48 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: Tongue twisting copy. Any suggestions please? Reply with quote

Maxine Dunn wrote:
Hi Everyone ~

I wanted to find out if anyone has any “techniques” for dealing with tongue-twisting copy. Not necessarily difficult medical terms, etc., but awkward words and letters crammed together that make them hard to “spit out.”


Go slow until you get the pace and the tone, then pick up to the tempo needed for the spot. Seems to work for me....

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007, 21:54 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lance Blair wrote:
What Philip said^, and smiling through difficult phrases helps too.

Black Licorice Swiss wristwatch

Six stick shifts stuck shut


A skunk sat on a stump and thunk the stump stunk, but the stump thunk the skunk stunk.


Do all of the above with a wine cork between your teeth and over enunciate each word...do it two or three times and you'll be amazed how well the words sound w/o the cork.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007, 22:20 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon Robbins wrote:

Do all of the above with a wine cork between your teeth and over enunciate each word...do it two or three times and you'll be amazed how well the words sound w/o the cork.


John..easier still, use a pencil, I do this for all copy, eliminates the lazy lips, especially before recording the script.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007, 23:50 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007, 10:03 (GMT)    Post subject: Tongue Twisters... Reply with quote

What works for me is printing the copy and reading it back a few times to see where difficult transitions between words occur. Then I take 2 words and say them over and over until I get those two perfected, then I add a 3rd word, and a 4th, etc. until I can say the whole sentence. Then I see just how fast I can do it. If you can say it super fast, doing it at normal speed will seem easy.

It also helps me to group phrases together by underlining them so when I see... "... the sixth sheet slitter's son's sheet", I would underline sixth sheet and slitter's son's sheet. It's easier for me to break them into groups. I only make a mental gap between the two groups, but not a pause while reading. It helps me to do this, not sure about anyone else Smile
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