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Dina Monaco-Boland
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007, 20:21 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jim. Actually it IS music that is purchased from a source (Dynamix, ProMotion Music, MusicFlex, etc) that distributes for this purpos--even commercially for Bally's and Curves. Most of the work is not by the original artist but some of it is but these are companies that have rights to use and distribution. A lot of instructors will just plug in their ipod and go-- especially spin instructors. I just bite the bullet and buy through these sources.
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Jim Feldman
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007, 20:37 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dina,

then you wouldn't be able to use the music for VOs. the licensing covers only use in your fitness classes. but hey, that doesn't mean you can't ask them.
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Andy Quiñones
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007, 22:13 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

One way to avoid copyright infringement is to create your own music beds with say a loop based track editor. This is an option for musically inclined folk who play one or any number of instruments however.

You can buy genre specific loop collections or create new loops using any number genre specific VST(Steinberg Technology) effects, VST instruments (VSTi soft synths) in Propellerhead or any other track editor.

Isn’t this in fact how they do it in the big studios? If not mistaken, Marc Grau’s VO studio out west does it this way.

Ed I hope you correct me if I’m wrong—thanks.
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Kim White
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007, 23:00 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, my! So I'd better get crackin' if I also have to learn instruments to land good VO gigs! Andy, how you do it all? Laughing
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Ed Gambill
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007, 23:16 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy

If you can roll your own your good to go for any use. I have never been able to use Acid or any other looping program but I know they work.

One way to go if you got the big bucks is a scoring stage. I have to upload this and tell the story.

NC School of Arts built a new film school with a big scoring stage, but did not have the money to put in the recording system. I was working there about 5 years ago when David Yewall head of the sound dept ( Sound EFX for Starship Troupers) ask me to help with a scoring project. He knew I had an 8 channel tape deck and wanted me to bring it in and record a score for a retrospective they were going to have.

It was the first score ever recorded on the stage. I used AKG 414's and Neumann U-87's. It was dumped into ProTools and mixed. They never provided me with a copy so this was dumped into Nuendo and mixed. I'm kind of proud of it. The copyright belongs to the State of NC so regrettably it not for sale.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007, 23:22 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kim

There are severial good buy out programs avaliable. I like the Music Bakery. You will find them here http://www.musicbakery.com/. There stuff come full length for industrial and cut into :10.:15,:30 and:60. Buy what you want on CD or down load.

There are others and some of the folks here can give you contact info for them

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007, 01:10 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed—That score really invokes a really nice western-hemispheric patriotic mood. Pretty awesome work sir.

I’ve been working with ACID—not the drug, the Sony software—since version 4. and have grown rather fond of it since it’s become a natural extension of my creative juice flow, soundscape-wise. So I stick with Acid but there are many others loop editors out there that work just as if not better than Sony.

The value of any program really rest upon how well one knows how to use it, like many other things.

Kim—I’m certainly not implying that one need to know how to produce music to score gigs—not at all.

But it certainly wouldn’t hurt—particularly for those who are gearing more towards offering full production services.

I’m quite certain there are a lot of folk on this forum who are much more skilled at this than I am musically and voicing—wise.

I’d be interested in their take on this.

I’ve heard demos where I could recognize familiar royalty free music—on multiple demos from different talents in fact. Maybe this is not important since talent seekers are looking for voices not music.

Mixing vocals with music is tricky in that sometimes the musical waves compete with the vocals and sometimes bury them. “Ducking” music beds is something which I think should be avoided since fluctuating volume changes tend to annoy some ears.
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Rachel Feldman
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007, 03:08 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Uh..."she asked, trying not to sound dumb. "So, if I'm doing someone's voice-on-hold stuff for a customer service line, and he asked if I can add music, do I need those special CDs you're talking about or can I choose something from my collection because the product is not being broadcast?"

Embarassed She shifted uncomfortably. "And, um, how much extra should I charge?" she asked, wishing she were more left-brained.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007, 06:00 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another great site to use music (and purchase the rights for) is OMNI music. They have a huge library that fits almost every need.
And they're not expensive either.

http://www.omnimusic.com/

With today's technology, a song can be used illegally and be found as fast as a speeding bullet. When in doubt, don't use it unless you can prove it's legal to do so.

Good Luck!
Ally
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007, 10:44 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much to all! Yes, better safe than sorry. I didn't realize how inexpensive royalty-free music was...and how much of it there is. The links have been extremely helpful.

Now on to figuring out how to actually add it to my voice. Very Happy
- Rachel
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007, 12:57 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Frederick wrote:
I would not offer an audition fully produced personally. While it may add style and show you skills as a production person ; a produced audition sends the message that you are a production person NOT a VO artist.


I produce about 50% of my auditions and have landed many gigs (including 3 national) because they "liked my read AND my choice of music/sfx". Sure...I'm a production person BUT I am a VO artist first with 30yrs. under my belt and "produce" and read from 3-7 spots a day. I believe that a good understanding of production values & techniques give the VO artist a better understanding of the final product....hence, better read, timing & interpertation..... whether you produce or not.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007, 14:23 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid Whatley wrote:


I believe that a good understanding of production values & techniques give the VO artist a better understanding of the final product....hence, better read, timing & interpertation..... whether you produce or not.


I agree!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007, 14:43 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid Whatley wrote:
Frank Frederick wrote:
I would not offer an audition fully produced personally. While it may add style and show you skills as a production person ; a produced audition sends the message that you are a production person NOT a VO artist.


I produce about 50% of my auditions and have landed many gigs (including 3 national) because they "liked my read AND my choice of music/sfx". Sure...I'm a production person BUT I am a VO artist first with 30yrs. under my belt and "produce" and read from 3-7 spots a day. I believe that a good understanding of production values & techniques give the VO artist a better understanding of the final product....hence, better read, timing & interpertation..... whether you produce or not.


From my perspective, one of the best posts I've ever read. Thank you Sid!

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