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Joe Lopez
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007, 22:02 (GMT)    Post subject: I don't know what to say. PLEASE HELP Reply with quote

I am somewhat new to the world of voice-overs and I’m looking to get my web site out to some of the producers I have worked with and auditioned for in the past. Only thing is that I have not had much contact with any of the after the job and or addition. I know it was a bad move on my part not to remember any names or the jobs I did with them, but at the time I was just happy to get some work and was not looking to make it a career. What I did do was keep e-mail addresses. I was hoping some of you can help me out on how to reintroduce myself to some of the people I have worked with without insulting them. cause I don't remember them or the job I did with them.

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Robert Jadah
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007, 22:17 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, Joe..I'll play nice, since I can well identify with your obvious organizational ditziness.

YOU MUST NOT send them a "Hi, remember me," e-mail.
In fact, you really shouldn't be e-staling them at all.

But you might - MIGHT - get away with a polite and very brief e-mail saying you've enjoyed working with them in the past and thought they might be interested in listening to your latest demo (attached).

Then attach one, of course.

Venture On!
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Anthony Williams
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007, 22:46 (GMT)    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Robert ,

I echo your wisdom!! Cool

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Victor Harris
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007, 23:01 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let this be a lesson to all. You have to use the "KISS" method. Noooo, I don't mean KEEP-IT-SIMPLE-STUPID...I mean you have to KISS their ass!!!!!!!! That is how this business is. You have to keep in contact with everyone you work with. Thats how you turn clients into repeat customers. Wink
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Amy Snively
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007, 23:09 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not, do NOT send a demo as an attachment unless you have expressly been told that it is ok to do so. Better to send a link to your demo that they can click and play at will.

All you need is someone to be picking up their email on their laptop on some shoddy, slow hotel internet connection, and have them curse you up and down the street as your 2MG unsolicited demo costs them precious time and money as they wait for it to come down the pike before they can read the rest of their messages.


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Joe J Thomas
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007, 23:30 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good caveat Amy.

I can't stand getting huge unsolicited e-mails.

The last thing you want is to get on their bad side before they even hear you...

Joe
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Robert Jadah
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 00:15 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand corrected.
Amy and Joe are absolutely right. In trying to tiptoe through your little mess here, I did lose sight of the fact that production people and agents ABHOR unsolicited e-mail, especially to their non-production addresses.

Go with Amy's link idea.

Bad AdVice Off!
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Keith D. Milby
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 01:58 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, if you don't have one already, you should have some sort of Rolodex, be it a Day Planner, index cards, some other filing system, hey even a computer application, that you can use to keep all contact information along with vital statistics, such as first contact, birthdays, phone numbers email address. You should keep up with jobs done and amounts charged.

This would be a good start. The more information the better.

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Maya Kuper
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 03:53 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

DO NOT SEND THE DEMO as an EMAIL ATTACHMENT! I'm sooo with Amy on this! I don't think it was your original plan to do so--you said you just wanted to send them to your website. That's fine. It'll be great promotion!

As long as it's a clean, simple website where they can very easily find your demos and your contact information. like this gal: http://www.jennifercudahy.com
( also on http://jennifercudahy.voice123.com )

It's not a problem that you don't remember the job or audition or the client. You want to keep the note short and sweet anyway. I'd write a email something like:


Dear Jane Producer:

I've enjoyed working with you in the past as a voiceover artist, and look forward to working with you again.

You can hear my latest demos here:
http://joetalentvo.com

Best,
Joe Talent

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Amy Snively
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 04:23 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice, Maya!
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Todd Ellis
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 14:13 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send them all a nice package in the mail. include a safari hat, machete, compass and your CD demo. add a nice note that reads: "dear dumba$$, did you lose my demo!!! maybe this stuff will help you find it! chop - chop, time is money." otherwise, do like amy & maya said.
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Ronald T Robinson
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 14:54 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send them a Buick. Tell them the instructions to finding the keys are somewhere inside the audio of your demo-package.

The safari-hat might also be a good touch.

I'd like to get one of those.
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Bob Bergen
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 15:02 (GMT)    Post subject: Re: I don't know what to say. PLEASE HELP Reply with quote

Joe Lopez wrote:
I am somewhat new to the world of voice-overs and I’m looking to get my web site out to some of the producers I have worked with and auditioned for in the past. Only thing is that I have not had much contact with any of the after the job and or addition. I know it was a bad move on my part not to remember any names or the jobs I did with them, but at the time I was just happy to get some work and was not looking to make it a career. What I did do was keep e-mail addresses. I was hoping some of you can help me out on how to reintroduce myself to some of the people I have worked with without insulting them. cause I don't remember them or the job I did with them.

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Hey Joe!

I think you learned a big time lesson here. voice actors are (or should be) business people as well. Most are not. Most are so desperate for the gig of the day they ignore the big picture. You need to treat yourself as the CEO of a corporation called "Joe's VO Career, Inc." As the CEO you need to oversee not just the day to day supply and demand of your services, but also make sure your customers (the buyers) are happy with the product (your voice acting gigs) and also promote your product for future work. And you need to reinvest!!! The only way for your business to grow is to take risks as you build it. Risks are a gamble. But it is the only way to grow.

NEVER kiss ass!!! Very few do it where it isn't obvious. It's a turn off. There's a difference between kissing ass and promoting well. You said you have email addresses of buyers. How did you get them? Did they give them to you? Were they on business cards you collected?? If so, you have every right to stay in touch with them. Keep in mind that producers NEED talent! Without talent they have no product to sell.

One good way to stay in touch is to make ecards. This is basically a postcard embedded in an email. It can promote your latest big thing. It's a great way to get your brand out there while staying in touch. For those of you who've read my comments here, you know I'm all over branding. It needs to be done in a way that entices, and doesn't feel pushy or cliché. How do you do this??? Well, this is a question ad agencies ask themselves every day! They'd love every campaign to be the next McDonald's "I'm lovin it!" or Motel 6's "We'll Leave the Light on for ya!" You need to create something that makes you memorable. Your ecard can promote a project you are currently doing. It also has links to your demo, contact info, etc. You can include a brief note within the body of the email.

"Hey Tom! Bob Bergen here. It's been a while since we did that Honda campagne, and I just wanted to touch base. Hope all is well with you!

Best!
Bob Bergen"

You'll notice I mention nothing about the ecard or it's content. Let the ecard sell itself. It's there, so you don't need to point out the obvious. Anytime you do anything of value you promote it. If you are doing a CD ROM game you let all buyers know about it. Even those who don't produce games. You are a working actor. Buyers want actors who are in demand. Just don't come across as desperate or needy. I met some very awesome people in Vegas at VOICE. But I can't tell you how many people swarmed me with their business cards in a way that was so needy and desperate, if I was a buyer I'd feel uncomfortable establishing a business relationship with them. It's all about the approach. It's hard to explain in a forum, but it's what separates OK business people from GREAT business people.


One last bit of advice. If you promote yourself to someone who is turned off by your attempt, move on! You don't have to work with everyone! And not everyone is going to, or needs to like you. You send out 50 ecards to the last 50 people you worked for. Forty five are turned off and find you to be an intrusive pain. Five of em contact you to read for new projects. Two hire you. One of the projects happens to be a national commercial campaign that pays you 5 figures a month. ALL because you were rejected by 45 people, but ONE person changed your life. Why did they change your life?? Because you took the risk, put yourself out there, sold your brand, and they bought it! And you didn't kiss ass!!

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Todd Ellis
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 15:17 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe - we had the post card / e-post card discussion recently on another forum (not that that means anything - it's just been on my mind recently). i've been doing this for years - it works great for both follow-up and TOMA. Honda doesn't run one flight of spots and figure "ok - we're done! everybody knows about us now." neither should we.

1. market
2. market
3. market
4. record
5. repeat

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Adam James
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007, 17:14 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great advice there Bob. It is very true that you need a 'business head' to get anywhere in this industry. It is the same for freelance radio presenters too.

I especially like the way you spelt campaign like 'champagne'. You are just living the high life aren't you!

Adam Smile

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